I was just reading through the posts here - and this caught my eyes:
Porn is bad. Parents want to protect their children from bad. Therefore, parents want to protect their children from porn.

First off all : Pornography needs to be defined http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography. Ergo Porn is not just porn . Porn blended with violence is harmful. NOT because of naked bodies - but because of the violence itself. A child will not be able to decode the degradings, the humiliations and the violence.
My question is : why ban porn - and at the same time condone brutal and violent pictures\games ?
Two scenes : A) a couple having sex and B) Steven Segal destroying someones face .
What scene would be the most harmful to show your kids ?

I do condone pornography and mastubation. The fact that you don't is rediculous.

BUt, yeah....finding porn online when you're tweleve is easier than shoplifting. But it's a hell of a lot less wrong than drilling a hole in the wall of the girls' locker room...which happened during /your/ generation. Now, there's no need.

Online porn is a good thing.

Hey, people here's some very recent reportage on "videogame addiction" (in TechNewsWorld and Ars Technica and on "Internet addiction disorder" in The Register), in case anybody's interested. A reference to dopamine in the article on game addiction was interesting in light of this discussion, tho' not in relation to porn - sorry I haven't seen any reports on "porn addiction" recently.
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You seem to be very well educated on this subject. Congratulations. Now, onto the 'porn>crack' thing. Seratonin. It's released by the brain when you are happy. It can be caused by anything. Things that make people happy.

You know why I see nothing wrong with porn? Because people can look at porn, or they can go out and impregnate/get pregnant. I honestly prefer people looking at porn.

>This then leads to the porn that inflicts violence, and eventually leads some people to carry it to the extreme of acting out their fantasies, and raping or killing the victim in order to get the high they are seeking. This happened to a friend of mine, whose husband was addicted to porn. He tried to kill her one night after viewing porn. She had to go in hiding in order to avoid having him find her.<

Also, pornography that inflicts violence is almost always consensual. Take the fetish BDSM. Corsetting involved, whipping, bondage, yeah that sort of thing. I guess it could be called violence to some. It's always, ALWAYS in a loving relationship, and the sex is consensual. So anyone who takes that as an excuse to go try and rape someone is just uneducated.

Also, that doesn't sound pornography induced to me. It sounds like your friends husband had some sort of fetish for such a thing. After viewing porn, he got the idea to go out and kill his wife.. It doesn't add up. Porn is a substitute for acting out dangerous fantasies. People who choose to act them out aren't being intelligent. Or even using common sense. Most fetishes are harmless.


>The same goes for violent video games. Not everyone has the same reaction, but for some reason, certain people are affected in a really horrible way. Why take a risk?<
Don't play video games? Is that what you're saying? Don't take a risk is a stupid statement. Take risks, and be responsible about it. Some people have do dumb things and blame them on video games. Because blaming themselves is so much harder.

>imagine if people were educated about the dangers of smoking before they started smoking...<

Do you know any smokers? Educate them about it alllll you want. They'll still smoke. Even before they start smoking, knowing the risks, it doesn't matter. If they want to do it they will.

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I'm new here, this is my first post. Hope I don't offend anyone, but there were some things I just realy wanted to say so here goes:

I like you son of liberty. I really do. You remind me more of me when I was your age than me now ever can hope to again.

whats changed? when did I stop being the supreme supporter of civil rights for kids? What happened to the 3-year-old that told her mother that: "you can't spank me, I'm an American!" (turns out she could and I never forgot it agian) to "if you want internet your computer stays in the living room?" I had a daughter. She became a teenager. The world becomes a different place when that happens.

does age= maturity? no my father is the most immature person I know. He's 54 now, still lives with his mother, been divorced 5 times, never paid a dime in child support for any of his 4 children, and doesn't even think that was wrong.

You have the right to free speech. You also have the right to the consequences of what you say. I have the right to tell my boss that I think she is a raving lunatic, and then I have the right to be fired for it.

Pornography is illegal for children to see. Parents believe that it is immoral for children to see pornography. I do not believe that this is the type of forum to debate whether or not that type or morality is logical. this is the place, looks like to me, where we can figure out how to keep that moralisic ideal in the tech age, and still let our kids go about exploring the wide variety of wonderful things on the internet, meeting new people and forming contacts with others that can enhance their social skills.

Well I just skimed this but from the looks of it there are better ways to be spending time then argueing about if minors should have access to porn, according to US law they should not get access to such things untill they are 18 years of age, and also blocking programs are inneffective becase you can only block a few and they are easy to go around. The taching your kids about porn is a good idea in theory I think in practical use it would be ineffective the best thing to do would be to keep an eye on where your kids go and what they do at least in my oppinion and only bring it up with them if they are accessing such things.

In reality, anything. ANYTHING. Can be bad, not just drugs. And you can get addicted to anything, but the chances of this happening is very rare.

There are good addictions, and bad addictions. But enjoying to read books could rarely be called an addiction, hobby is more appropriate.

Jeez, a lot of people on here are crazy.

Seratonin? Oh, that stuff in chocolate? That stuff your brain produces whenever you are happy? Oh yeah, that must be some whacked out narcotic drug that rots your mind! Ooh.

What's a drug? Painkillers are drugs. They're not bad. Cancer patients take drugs- are you going to tell them not to, because they're "drugs", and therefore "bad" ?


Let's face it parents- would you rather your kid was looking at porn at home or having casual experimental sex where you can't keep them safe?