Thoughts about IMVU

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I would like to open up discussion about the latest phenomenon, IMVU. For those of you who don't know, its similar to Second Life however it seems to be targeting young people. For young people who often spend a lot of time in online communities, playing online games, and instant messaging, IMVU opens a door to a whole new experience.

I am hoping to hear from IMVU users about their experiences, good or bad. I hope other people wade into this discussion as well because I think IMVU will become very popular.

Thanks
Detective Randy Wickins
Alberta Integrated Child Exploitation Team
Alberta, Canada

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Re: Thoughts about IMVU

Dec 25, 2009 7:21 AM
THIS is what iMVU thinks is OK for your kids. and thi is why we say IMVU is NOT a good place for kids at all
http://www.imvu.com/music/album.php?id=85704
LordSoulFire
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Re: Thoughts about IMVU

Nov 27, 2009 9:43 PM
Ryan2Army,
I'm going to have to agree with Breyna here. Blaming IMVU for your wife's behavior is like blaming pornography for destroying families - it puts the cart before the horse. Your marriage and the behavior of your wife is between the two of you and IMVU had nothing to do with it. Perhaps your time will be best spent pulling your marriage together and seeking counseling.

LordSoulFire
Breyna
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Re: Thoughts about IMVU

Nov 27, 2009 4:14 PM
I'm sorry that your family is falling apart but IMVU did not break your marrage. Often we look for outside things to blame when in fact the blame lies within ourselves. Your wife may have been giving you signes that things wernt just peachy but you didnt see them until it was too late.
ryan2army
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Re: Thoughts about IMVU

Nov 27, 2009 7:47 AM
i think imvu should be shut down completely its made my wife a different person, she neglects our kids now, she doesnt spend time with me or the kids. this program is horrible it destroys marriages and it should be shut down to save the people around the user.
LordSoulFire
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Re: Thoughts about IMVU

Nov 6, 2009 1:19 PM
RealityRenee, I agree with you wholeheartedly. That said however, I think you're missing one small piece of information that really brings the entire issue to light....

IMVU has chosen to market their system to teenagers, while expecting adults to pay for it.

Because they need adults to pay for the system so that they can market their true demography ( Or more directly, the demography that advertisers want to aim their babble at and pay IMVU for space ) - teenagers - they have to allow both adults and teenagers on it. Because of this they share equal responsibility for keeping teenagers safe.

It's the parents job ultimately, yes, but its IMVU putting its own foot in its mouth. You can't target teenagers with an unsafe ( Yes, unsafe... granted the Internet itself will never be " safe " for children but that's not the topic really.. ) product and expect adults to pay for it or look the other way ( Though some readily do look the other way ).

Another perspective is this...

While parents are ultimately responsible for their children and what happens to them - when a company goes out of its way to send its fishing line out to hook children, that company becomes responsible for the messages it sends to the children. IMVU has a poor way of doing business, and it sends questionable messages. For example, every time there is a blockbuster movie released, IMVU scrambles to catch some of the profit. For example when a Harry Potter film was released, IMVU released a Wizard Bundle that was a clear knock off of Harry Potter. What type of message does this send? That its okay to steal intellectual property as long as you change enough of the product that you can skirt copyright and trademark laws?

IMVU is a dubious company at best and there's countless examples of how IMVU unsafe IMVU is for teenagers. There's all kinds of things that IMVU has done to its community that has been unfair, unlawful, and uncalled for. In fact, as a Parent - if your babysitter did HALF of the things that IMVU has done, you'd fire the babysitter.

The messages that IMVU sends to teenagers, the way it targets teenagers, and continues to allow questionable content in the hands of minors is on them - its not on the parents and the only thing parents can do is keep their children off of IMVU. What do you figure the chances of that happening is?

Ultimately, IMVU is Unfit for teenagers in its current form and its a laughable joke when marketed as an adult product. The AP is one of the biggest jokes in the IMVU Community and always will be. The only place for adults on IMVU is as developers creating barbie-like PG content for minors to enjoy.

Parents would do well to keep their children off of IMVU until IMVU is cleaned up.

LordSoulFire
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Re: Thoughts about IMVU

Nov 4, 2009 12:13 PM
IMVU has 2 forms of age verification: age verified and the AP (Adult Pass). The AP requires it be purchased with a credit card, if your 14 year old swipes your card and gets him/herself an AP I think you have bigger issues than just who they're talking to on the internet.

If you don't like your child on IMVU, for what ever reasons ... UNINSTALL it, block the program, supervise them. I'm not saying that anyone is wrong for not wanting their kids on IMVU or any other internet social network but stop pointing your fingers at the medium, turn it around and point it at yourself. If you don't want your child on that program then stop it. YOU are the adult, YOU are the parent. Stop blaming the system, step up and guide your child toward activities that you DO approve of instead of whacking away at something that others enjoy and take part of, and I don't just mean on the internet either.

It's not a chat rooms job to babysit our children so don't complain because you don't like how they are doing it. I know alot of people won't agree with me and that's fine and your free to do so. However those of you who would attack me for my view my only defence is ..... IT IS YOUR CHILD, TAKE CONTROL AND DON'T LET THEM GO TO THOSE WEBSITES ... and you can't argue that.
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Re: Thoughts about IMVU

Oct 28, 2009 4:32 AM
I'm an avid fan of IMVU, and I will admit that like anything online, it has it's shortcomings. There is nothing stopping someone from making more than one account, changing their age or gender, things like that. However, this doesn't really seperate it that greatly from any other sort of internet game.

I believe that IMVU can be a fun game, so long as it's players do realise that it is in fact a game, and the other players cannot be so easily trusted. In my several years of playing it, i've never distributed so much as my email address to anyone on there, even though i've gotten requests to do so.

So IMVU can be a fantastic game and I would highly recommend it, but I would also recommend that a reasonable amount of caution be used when playing it or letting other younger people play it.
LordSoulFire
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Re: Thoughts about IMVU

Sep 9, 2009 6:58 AM
To weildgirl,
Thank you for your post.. as well as the pointers you outlined. This is exactly the type of information that I'm talking about when I say that we need to provide information and resources to parents - as well as teenagers, though I failed to mention it.

To Milanis,
I'm going to skip over the majority of your post for personal reasons, but there were a few things you mentioned that I'd like to respond to and perhaps add a different perspective for consideration....

" Now, IMVU makes 1.7 million a month, or at least that is what I just read. With that in mind, if they were really concerned with the health of our young people, then they would take some of that money, and develop a better means of age verification or some better security system or something..... "

Unfortunately, there's not really a better means of age verification or security. There were a number of options issued to IMVU years ago regarding Age Verification - it chose to go with its own ideas instead. I can tell you that I researched it greatly, and ultimately Age Verification is in its infancy, and at this point its merely a paper tiger. It sounds great, but in application it fails. Until technology advances it will - in its current form, merely offer up a false sense of security for everyone who trusts in it. It will take far more than throwing money at it in order to solve the issue. What will do wonders however is interest being issued to it, and minds working through obstacles in order to improve it.

" I am personally against children, teens, anyone under the age of 18 playing videogames like Grand Theft Auto, Saints Row, or any number of Videogames that have violence, sex, drugs and allow minors to steal and cheat and kill.

Now most people have told me, well its just a game, I disagree, I a veteran gamer of 27 years, and one thing that I can tell you is, that any form of violence, drugs, sex, etc..., no matter how small it is, will affect any person, if they are around it long enough. "

Personally, I'm against anyone deciding whats appropriate for teenagers and children beyond their own parents at this point - be it in terms of video games, music, or movies. The Rating Services are yet another paper tiger - one that some parents have used as a crutch when it comes to monitoring their children and what they do and see. What lead to that paper crutch from what I've seen is the idea that it takes a village to raise a child - and while I'd like to believe that an entire village would raise fine examples of humanity, it truly only takes one parent. I grew up in the age of Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th, and The Omen.. not to mention Poltergeist, and The Exorcist.. among others. The majority of those movies I saw by the time I was 12... because my parents felt that I could handle the subject matter. Needless to say, Horror flicks and nude " teenagers " running rampant through woods in the middle of the night bore me to no end. I have very little interest - if any - in the majority of the content I grew up on. Thus far I've avoided lopping anyone's appendages and heads off with a machete. My point is... it comes back to the parents to decide what's best for their child - not everyone else.. and parents don't need told what is and is not acceptable for their children - they need resources and information that they can put to use deciding for themselves.

Before I forget.. I also stole from stores as a child - was caught and handled by my mother and the local police, more than once. Needless to say, I no longer steal either. In my life experience - my mother, and later a stepfather provided me with valuable lessons, understanding, and helped me garner enough wisdom from my mistakes that I grew up adjusted enough to check my impulses.

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Her Grandmother and Mother, don't know of IMVU's existence, they don't monitor her at all, she has full access to the computer, and she spends every waking hour on it. My dad will be there to help her, I hope, but in the end it will be solely up to Jesus. "

It's well that you've taken the time to look after your niece, its certainly commendable - but this paragraph stood out for me. The vast majority of children on the Internet ( I'm including Teenagers in there as well ) are exactly where your niece is.. surrounded by adults that aren't paying proper attention. There's a huge issue when out of 4 adults.. only 2 ( ? ) are doing what an adult relative should be doing. In all respect to your religious beliefs - its not Jesus who will in the end decide what happens to her... it will be her own choices and the choices ( Neglectful or not ) that the adults in her life make. In this case, there's absolutely no need for more paper tiger thinking, with all due respect. Adults with children who use the Internet need to take a full on responsible approach to the safety of their own children and not leave it to anyone, or anything else.

In all other points you made, I fully agree with your post, its fairly dead on..

Lord Tristan
Milanis
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Re: Thoughts about IMVU

Sep 8, 2009 3:02 AM
Hello,

I just joined this website just a few seconds ago. I have a 12yr niece who is a member of IMVU, and after reading a few articles, my experience as an experienced gamer of 27 years, have come to the conclusion, that IMVU is not a good for her, and I am concerned for her safety.

With her grandfathers permission, I accessed her user account on his computer, and when I appeared online, I was immeadiately plagued with a "Gaia Chat Room Invitation" with the description of a 20yr old male. Whether he is or is not that age is not the issue, he requested her to speak with him, stating to me that she has lied about her age. In fact alone, she is only 12 yrs old, and the age to be on IMVU is 13yrs old, which I think is way too young.

Her Grandmother and Mother, don't know of IMVU's existence, they don't monitor her at all, she has full access to the computer, and she spends every waking hour on it. My dad will be there to help her, I hope, but in the end it will be solely up to Jesus.

Reading some articles concerning IMVU's age verification process, leaves me wondering. But I tell you this, anything that allows children and adults online at the same time is not safe, not these days, not in the world we live in.

I am personally against children, teens, anyone under the age of 18 playing videogames like Grand Theft Auto, Saints Row, or any number of Videogames that have violence, sex, drugs and allow minors to steal and cheat and kill.

Now most people have told me, well its just a game, I disagree, I a veteran gamer of 27 years, and one thing that I can tell you is, that any form of violence, drugs, sex, etc..., no matter how small it is, will affect any person, if they are around it long enough.

IMVU has advertisement banners, and I see them everywhere, now most depict sexual conduct like kissing, or close hugging, and like the videogames violence, drugs, sex, etc, affecting you a little at a time, the same can be said of the advertisings of IMVU.

Argue what you want, disagree all you want, I am right, and that is that. If IMVU was for adults only, then who cares about these advertisements, but with kids online in it, they are a danger to them to their mental, spiritual, physical selves.

Now, IMVU makes 1.7 million a month, or at least that is what I just read. With that in mind, if they were really concerned with the health of our young people, then they would take some of that money, and develop a better means of age verification or some better security system or something.....

Now, I tried to find out some contact information on the IMVU site, without joining it, it was utterly hopeless, I couldn't find a solid email, to send to anyone, just FAQ's, and an address, no phone number, so frustration and anger took over, but I did not give up.

All in All, I just Totally think IMVU is unsuited to care for the welfare of our youth, and are in it, soley for the money. I don't care for this site, I'm sure there are others worse, but thats not what this topic is about, is it?

Our children, that is what it boils down too, their safety, their protection. Don't get distracted, don't get frustrated(too much), don't forget Jesus. Let us pray for the safety of our children.

Thank You.

If you too would like to contact IMVU, I found this following link and information to be helpful:

http://www.crunchbase.com/company/imvu

Website: IMVU.com
Category Consumer Web
Phone: 650-646-3244
Employees 60
Founded 2004
Description Online 3D Community

I called it, and it worked.

I hope this helps.

God Bless!!!!
weildgirl
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Re: Thoughts about IMVU

Sep 6, 2009 10:21 AM
Before answering the question of the original poster, I would like to say that I am a member of IMVU. I am an adult. I do not have children. I am happily married.

My husband and I are both on IMVU. We are both believers, and do not use IMVU for any form of cyber-sexual activity aside from with one another, if that. We have been bullied on IMVU before over stupid things. People will message you, having never spoken to you before and invite you to date or proposition you in some way. Most of these are spammers who are using IMVU as a way to link more people to their "sexy pictures" website. I just delete those comments, or if the same person continues, I report them.

I joined IMVU when my best friend introduced me to it. I like to chat with older teenagers and other adults. As I have said, I do not participate sexually with anyone on IMVU. There are a lot of sexual things you can do with IMVU, but you have to have a credit card or PayPal or a Prepaid IMVU card to get those particular actions. When I meet newbies, I usually will allow them to use their actions on me in order to figure out what each one does. This is due in part to the fact that some are teenagers and I'd rather them learn the actions with someone who is not going to do anything about it than with someone who is going to talk them into cyber-sex over an accidental kiss. My point here is that there are a lot of good people on it, but just like any other chat room, there are dangerous people as well.

As a young adult who began using the internet at the age of 10 and who has been chatting without parental supervision since I was 16, there are some pointers I would give to parents and teens:

Parents:
(1) Start early with you kids... Talk to them about the dangers and the good to come with chatting. The dangers are that there are bad people just like there are bad people in the real world. The good is that you meet a variety of people, you do learn a lot more.

(2) Supervise your kids. Keep the Internet in your bedroom or a common area of the home. This way there is less chance that they will be able to do things you wouldn't want.

(3) Keep the lines of communication open. Teach your kids that they can come to you with a question (no matter how embarrassing about the conversations they are in.

(4) Keep an open mind about their internet friends and be willing to talk about them.

(5) Encourage your kids to have a social life outside of the internet as well as having their internet friends. But please understand that kids are mean...to each other. Because of that, there are those kids who honestly do not have friends. Please be understanding of that.

Teens:

(1) NEVER EVER EVER agree to meet anyone online in person without telling family and/or friends, and take family or friends with you to meet the person for the first time or two.

(2) Keep the lines of communication with your parents open, if possible. Talk about your online friends. Talk about how you feel about them, etc. If your parents don't/won't listen, talk to friends and other family members who do. If you don't have that, I would even consider talking to a school counselor if you're willing. The point is, have someone who cares about you that you talk to about these people.

(3) Buddy up. I joined IMVU when my best personal (real life) friend introduced me to it. We've been on IMVU since 2006 and 2007. Our husbands are online as well. We have a nice network going on. We all know each other and care enough about one another that we watch each others' backs on IMVU. It's not just strangers we met online...

(4) Watch what you say to people. Watch what they say to you. If they start talking cyber sex, leave the chat and block them.
LordSoulFire
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Re: Thoughts about IMVU

Aug 30, 2009 11:22 PM
Tharcia.. you make a valid point. That being said - I'm going to take a shot at responding to it. Please bare in mind however that its all mere opinion, and that's all this thread has become since its opening.. a bunch of opinions that IMVU does not care about, nor read ( I honestly believe they really don't give a damn about the entire thread - they'll let others defend them instead ).

On IMVU - in fact, on the Internet as a whole, there is absolutely nothing that children and teenagers cannot access off of the internet. Nothing. How do I know this? My own experience. Everything that the Internet and IMVU provide - I had access to R/L growing up because I sought it out and I wasn't the only one. Content is debatable regardless of the medium - and its the parent's responsibility to deal with the content.

Herein lies the insanity... We have an Internet which *loads* of adult content that is easily reached by minors - children who may or may not be more savvy than their parents at covering their own tracks and seeking it out in the first place. Then we have watchdog groups, governments, and organizations who are all dead set on monitoring the content, calling for compliance, and heaping out yummy loads of laws on adults in order to limit the content that children are exposed to. Instead of taking parents and schools who provide Internet to minors - they take other adults to task. This is exactly what IMVU did - all in the sake of covering its own rear end - and who can blame them? At one time, I did - and then I moved on to a service that allows me to be an adult - without giving up the rights I have as an adult to content that I am old enough to choose for myself - all in the name of " saving the children ". My perspectives have changed over the years, and so has my stance - I don't hate IMVU anymore... I understand why they did what they did.

On the other hand, IMVU only did what it absolutely had to do - the bare minimum to put on a good show of protecting minors on its service. It never went to the mat, it didn't push the envelope, and it didn't do anything that it should of done. Instead it chose to the exact same thing that most services on the Internet do... cover their own rear ends and displace as much responsibility as it could. Interesting enough, for all its hype, and all of its so called effort - the content still available on IMVU is inappropriate, and its being driven *at* teenagers daily by IMVU's own internal advertising department. It hasn't changed a bit - and that's where IMVU is accountable. It continues its deceitful practice of driving violent, gang related content at impressionable teenagers and it doesn't blink an eye while doing it. That's where I blame the chat system.. the corporation that owns it and drives it.

That being said, the issue doesn't start and end with IMVU anymore. In fact, many of us were naive in believing that to be the case. It was merely a sniffle of a much larger flu so to speak. At times we've touched upon it in this thread, but the bottom line comes down to the Parents. Instead of driving all the resources at the Internet and trying to " tame " it for use by minors, we need to drive resources at the parents in order to help them handle their responsibilities when they are in need. Instead of passing laws, calling for websites to check content, and this and that - we need to provide education to the home. That's far more effective than passing paltry laws that will fail - and yes, they will fail just as other laws in other areas have done before. Can we really blame a corporation for covering its rear end from lawsuits when we have driven our agencies, or governments, and ourselves to place the blame upon them - instead of where it should have been all along.

To close ( mainly so I don't become a broken record and ramble on ).. the Internet at its base nature is not for children - but if you insist on allowing your children to use it ( And yes, here's an opening for people to start on their own rants about how you can't watch your children 24-7 ) - educate yourselves and seek out help from others to help you secure your child's safety when using it.

Lord Tristan
Breyna
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Re: Thoughts about IMVU

Aug 30, 2009 6:54 AM
This is true Tharcia. While maybe there are some things IMVU could do to make a safer enviroment for under 18's any measures taken will only seem a challage for them to jump over. If the minor is industrious enof they will infact find a way over any safty measures. I hear a lot about minors starting inapropiate convorsations with an unsuspecting adult all the time. Where are these childrens parents?
Tharcia
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Re: Thoughts about IMVU

Aug 30, 2009 4:48 AM
Interesting disccussion... but why blame any online chat specifically? What could your kids find in your very own bedroom that you would not want them to see? How about on the magazine rack at the liquor store or even the market? And online... forget about being able to monitor all of it! The point is that kids are way curious and the availability of questionable material is unstoppable. Yes you have to monitor what they do growing up but I think the discussion starts with your kid not some IMVU lawyer. There are literally hundreds of such environments your kid could move on to and how will you have the time? I'm sure not defending practices that make salacious material too available but there are attractive nuisances everywhere in your child's life...
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Re: Thoughts about IMVU

Aug 26, 2009 9:24 AM
Unfortunatly Tonya, your daughter clicked the link saying that she HAD parental consent. IMVU doesn't enforce it, they take the click at face value, instead of offering ways to verify if the child has consent to be there or not
Breyna
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Re: Thoughts about IMVU

Aug 24, 2009 9:44 PM
the age limit for imvu is 13.
to get rid of the acount your daughter started have her log in scroll down the landing page to the bottom and click help. this will take you to the imvu help center
you will see a link that says "How do I delete my account" click that link and follow the directions. OR
simply log in then paste this link in your browser it shoule delete the acount. i copied this link directly from the help center.
http://www.imvu.com/catalog/web_delete_account.php
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