My friends 16 year old daughter had the police call at her door one night last week. They wanted to know if the daughter had created a Bebo website in someone elses name as that person had called the police and told them that the only person he knew who could have done it was my friend's daughter! (Untrue as most of the daughters friends have Bebo accounts but the police seemed ignorant of Bebo or how it worked!) The daughter said she hadn't and brought the police in to show them her Bebo account and page. She then showed them the accuser's Bebo account, which she had just noticed that evening on Bebo as the accuser's account had left various comments on some of her friends Bebo webpages. The accuser had told the police that only she could have got some of the photos that were on his Bebo webpage but she denied this. It seems that the photos were openly displayed on other friends Bebo webpages. The police seemed satisfied that she had not set up the accuser's account. She also said that when she went to look it up again the next day that it appeared to have been cancelled, although comments made through it on other peoples webpages remained. Now my friend's daughter is disressed because the accuser has told everyone that she did it and that he called the poice. Because the police car was parked outside her house local people are all talking about it and assuming that she is guilty. She is now getting comments fro most of her peer group who seem to believe it was her. What I wanted to know is, is it possible to find out from Bebo who actually set up the accusers Bebo account. If we ask the police (because the bullying is now getting quite nasty) would they be abe to find out so that they could then approach that individual, just as they did my friend's daughter, but with proof so that they could do something about it and charge him/her with something? This is the only way we can think of in order to prove to her peer group that they are wrong about her.
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Apr 8, 2007 4:53 PM
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I think sometimes, these things are taken a bit over the top. like, calling the POLICE for thios type of thing without any proof so on... I think, the police should investigate things and be less ignorant of what they are dealing with. they waster thier own time they do.
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Thanks for your post, Frank_D. I hope soon that police departments everywhere will know what the officer who just posted knows - that 1) abuse in social sites, which is usually not technically a crime can be reported to the sites and that, even so, 2) that is rarely a fix for peer arguments, bullying, defamation, etc. Police departments probably rarely have time to advise parents in cases like this (I think it's amazing you're working with parents in this way), but at least they can understand to an extent how the social Web works. It really does "take a village" to deal with this stuff, practically speaking. Because there is so much overlap between school and home and between criminal and noncriminal behavior (though I suspect it's more the latter), schools, police, parents, and above all students need to be working together. I don't think I'm being idealistic here, just practical. Do others see it this way too?
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Mar 7, 2007 7:54 AM
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Being from law enforcement, Anne is right in saying that you must have a legal document ie. subpoena to get subscriber/member information from any social networking site. In order to do that, you must be investigating a criminal offense. Very often, parents come to the police to try and obtain the identity of an individual that has posted offensive material involving their child. It is also becoming more common to receive complaints concerning someone opening an account under their child's name; without the knowledge or authorization from that child. Sometimes these type of complaints may, because of the page content, be criminal. In many cases, while offensive and upsetting, there is no criminal violation that has been committed. In these types of cases, removal of the unauthorized page is usually the best solution. All of the largest of social networking sites have procedures to remove unauthorized pages. It has been my experience, in assisting parents, that the social networking sites do a good job at removing those pages in a timely manner. I would hope that most law enforcement agencies are equipped to assist parents in knowing what to do when these types of situations are brought to their attention. Unfortunately law enforcement is playing catch up to keep up with the latest technology of social networking. I have had some parents tell me that their local police had no idea as to what to do in cases of impersonation online. This is something that we in law enforcement have to do better at. In Carry's situation, it would appear that her local police do not have any grounds to pursue the online situation further. They may have some authority to deal with the in-person bullying situation that Carry describes. I would hope that most persons in her community would not look negatively at the teen that was originally accused. If that person was suspected of doing something criminal, the police would have reacted to that. At this point, someone may need to speak to the family of the teen making the accusations and remind them about defamation of character issues. Some of these online cases have ended up in the civil court for that very situation. Lets hope that this is not one of them. Seeing that there was no criminal action in this case, the local teens should come to the conclusion that the accused 16 year old is not suspect of any wrongdoing. Unfortunately, this type of issue is becoming too common.
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Mar 6, 2007 10:13 AM
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You're so welcome, Carry. So is it pretty much resolved, then? I'm a little confused. Has "the accused" gone to the police to explain the situation? All best,
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Mar 6, 2007 6:59 AM
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Thanks for the information. It seems that the Bebo account set up in the accuser's name has been deleted and was not being used in any bullying manner, as far as we can ascertain. It seems that it is just that the name used (the accuser's) is someone, a young adult, who is not computer literate and is outraged that someone did this and used photos of him and used (mostly, it seems) true information about him. As far as I can ascertain from anyone who saw it before it was cancelled, there was nothing harmful on it. We suspect it was just some of this guy's mates playing a trick on him as it seems that other Bebo accounts were set up in other people's names and which also seem to have been since cancelled. We suspect that when the creator(s) of these accounts realised the police had become involved then he/she cancelled the accounts. As a result, it seems that the police don't seem to think that there is anything more to follow up. However, the end result seems to be more that the "injured party" (i.e.e the accuser - the peson whose name was used in setting up just one of the false accounts) has started telling everyone who will listen that it was the one individual that he told the police could have done it. The police seem satisfied that it was not this person and, now that the account has ben cancelled, the problem no longer exists. I think the problem is now one of slander - the accuser informing everyone that it was the person he has (wrongly) accused so maybe it is time for the accused to go back to the police about the bullying she is on the receiving end of as a resut of this slander (which is not happening via Bebo she says, but rather face-to-face amongst her peer group). Thanks again.
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Mar 5, 2007 3:59 PM
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Carry, here's the info Bebo has just supplied on user privacy and getting info on abusive users:
"In situations like this and upon request, we will provide information regarding Bebo members which we hold in our database. However, in order to release such information we will need either a RIPA form, subpoena, warrant or legal documentation (Declaration Form for Data User concerning the Data Protection Act) from your police station. This is due to our Privacy Policy. It must also include all the pertaining information about the Bebo account that is being investigated (username, email address or member IDs).
"Please note that we must receive the above documentation from the police or a legal authority before releasing any information. They can email us via our contact us form to obtain the details of the person who handles these requests.
"Here are our Privacy Policy and Terms Of Use for more info.
"We look forward to working with you. Thank you for helping make Bebo a safer place."
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Mar 4, 2007 5:25 AM
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Thank you. I wil pass on this information and see what can be done.
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Mar 3, 2007 3:57 PM
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Carry, that is quite a situation! I will certainly pass this along to Bebo to see what they can do. I can tell you, though, that - according to US law, we're told - Internet services can't reveal the identities of users to other users. They can reveal some information if law enforcement is involved and supplies a subpoena. I don't know if this is the case in Scotland. You might try contacting CEOP in London to see what the law is in the UK. Why don't you send an email about this to admin@blogsafety.com, and we'll forward it to our contact at Bebo. Thank you,
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Mar 3, 2007 10:53 AM
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My friends 16 year old daughter had the police call at her door one night last week. They wanted to know if the daughter had created a Bebo website in someone elses name as that person had called the police and told them that the only person he knew who could have done it was my friend's daughter! (Untrue as most of the daughters friends have Bebo accounts but the police seemed ignorant of Bebo or how it worked!) The daughter said she hadn't and brought the police in to show them her Bebo account and page. She then showed them the accuser's Bebo account, which she had just noticed that evening on Bebo as the accuser's account had left various comments on some of her friends Bebo webpages. The accuser had told the police that only she could have got some of the photos that were on his Bebo webpage but she denied this. It seems that the photos were openly displayed on other friends Bebo webpages. The police seemed satisfied that she had not set up the accuser's account. She also said that when she went to look it up again the next day that it appeared to have been cancelled, although comments made through it on other peoples webpages remained. Now my friend's daughter is disressed because the accuser has told everyone that she did it and that he called the poice. Because the police car was parked outside her house local people are all talking about it and assuming that she is guilty. She is now getting comments fro most of her peer group who seem to believe it was her. What I wanted to know is, is it possible to find out from Bebo who actually set up the accusers Bebo account. If we ask the police (because the bullying is now getting quite nasty) would they be abe to find out so that they could then approach that individual, just as they did my friend's daughter, but with proof so that they could do something about it and charge him/her with something? This is the only way we can think of in order to prove to her peer group that they are wrong about her.
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