cyberabuse at its best.. the story continues

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MY ORIGINAL REPORT OF 28 APRIL 2007 spoke about the creation of Ben who committed suicide. The results so far? Both of Ben's sites have been removed but Natalie and now, I discover her best friend at school, Shea, who also has an involvement, continue to play their games on the net...

I have sent an abuse report to Bebo.. a copy of which follows I am asking for your endorsement on this matter.... thank you

NOW THE STORY CONTINUES:
BEBO ABUSE REPORT: 21 MAY2007
On the 28th April 2007, I reported an incident with regard to Bebo member, url:http//smokin-pancake.bebo.com, which went something like this:

“Four weeks ago, my daughter, in a vulnerable moment, attempted suicide, because she was grieving a boy that she had met on Bebo, msn and by txt, last year. On the 27 January 2007, this boy apparently committed suicide. the author of this site by means of Bebo,cell phone and personal contact, proceeded to convince my daughter that this boy was real (url:http//meewith3Ez.bebo.com)... the author proceeded to post an R.I.P. site (url://beni-b33.bebo.com) which continued to claim the reality of this boy and prey on the emotions of young children and the topic of suicide all over the world....
since my daughter's incident, i posted a site on Bebo (url:http//ksbay.bebo.com) to try and find out if this boy ever existed... the answer... no!! As far as i can see the following Bebo sites have been used to try and convince people of the reality of this Ben:
url:http//djlatent.bebo.com
url:http//smokin-pancake.bebo.com
url:http//n3v3r-kn3w.bebo.com
url:http//lafr33ko.bebo.com
please remove these sites... our children are at risk.

thank you
Karen Roselt”
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While you have, thankfully, removed both of Ben's pages and that of the boy, Shea, who created this site (who incidentally is Natalie's best friend at school and also the author of several other sites, one of which I will also be reporting because of his comments about me and the closing down of ben's sites on his front page .....

http://iim-from-hell.bebo.com

Herewith a list of his other sites as far as I can see:
http://lafr33ko.bebo.com
http://yewdontevennome.bebo.com
Bob J <jimbobjones657> not too sure on this one.. suddenly appeared on daughter's friends list over the past week or two
ThaSheaFanClub <ThaSheaFanClub>
N3v3rKn3w <n3v3r-kn3w>

There still remains the question of Natalie and her sites.. although she did not create the physical profiles of Ben, it was she who used those sites to manipulate your members into the reality of this boy, some of who still genuinely believe in his existence.
She has now made her older sites private, but openly claims from her new site: http://pinksubritzky.bebo.com to her friends that the police have closed them down... if only you would!!!

Herewith some of the comments she has made over the past week to some of her friends: My question is, is she trying to create confusion or is she laying claim to Ben's sites?
Natty S <pinksubritzky>dat i made my m8 ben up wtf
yea and i made all his m8s up to
whoa and every1s just trippn
and all the ppl that met him are liars
and god dont like soph having m8s like me
and po po r police


Natty S <pinksubritzky>ghey man everything is ghey
u no that bitch that was tlking sh.t
my other accounts got deleted byy the cops
fu..ing slut

Natty S <pinksubritzky> f..king nothing
Natty S <pinksubritzky> k mean the po po deleted my bebos

Natty S <pinksubritzky> actually the cops deleted all the others try getting into em it wont let u and wen u log in or try it says "this page can no longer b accesed"

Natty S <pinksubritzky>bro my old pages got deleted bi the po po i added u k

Natty S <pinksubritzky> up to?
my old bebos got deleted so yea i added u

WITH REGARD TO HER NEW PROFILE ,what offends me here is:

on the front page of her profile, she speaks about my daughter, whom Natalie has victimized for four months in the most bizarre and cruel way..... calls me all sort of inflammatory names and blames me for closing down her sites.... my daughter is still a member of Bebo and I feel that she has suffered enough harm at the hands of this girl... she is the victim still..... must she still be the victim?
she still has photos of Ben on her site which will only serve to endorse her ability to do what she likes, when she likes, without fear of retribution....
that the caption of the photo of her self-harm is referring to me.... i am Sophie's mum
that she even has photos of self-harm on her page is very, very wrong.
the open promotion of suicide and dying on her front page is extremely dangerous to those vulnerable children out there who may be considering self harm or suicide

Herewith a list of her other current Bebo profiles:
http://djlatent.bebo.com
http://natty-s-fan-club.bebo.com
http://smokin-pankake.bebo.com
http://DJ-Latent.bebo.com

Please remove ALL of these offending profiles... by removing one will solve nothing...... they think this is a game and by allowing them access to Bebo is tacitly encouraging behaviour which promotes abuse, bullying and most serious of all, suicide......

In terms of the police and their present position in New Zealand, there as at this point no legislation to prosecute an issue of this nature. Their recommendation is that I report the abuse directly to you, so once again the decision with regard this matter is in your hands.

My next step is to contact various people in government and the universities to see what can be done with regard to having legislation passed through parliament that will put a stop to this madness........... countless children within our community have been affected by this incident..... I almost lost a child... I am determined to resolve this issue and in doing so make Bebo a safe place for the likes of my daughter whose only agenda is to chat to her mates and have fun.... is this not what your site is intended for?

Thank you

Karen Roselt

Last Post Jun 29, 2007 2:38 AM by: ksbay
ksbay
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Re: cyberabuse at its best.. the story continues

Jun 29, 2007 2:38 AM
Hi everybody. Thanks for your input on the issue i posted on the forum a while ago. I have been following all comments with great interest but have purposefully not replied to what was becoming a volatile situation.

A lot has happened between then and now, but, so as not to cause any further furour on this forum will not comment further except to say that matters are slowly but surely being attended to from all levels.

So it's goodbye to ksbay and thank-you everyone, especially Anne, who was the first person to help Sophie feel validated in this very bizarre situation.

Sophie and I were interviewied by national television which will be aired on monday july 2 here in new zealand.

the link http://www.tv3.co.nz/VideoBrowseAll/60Minutes/tabid/371/articleID/29983/Default.aspx#video

kia kaha and kia ora
(stay strong and thank you)

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Anne
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Jun 28, 2007 4:36 PM
Nothing inappropriate, cawn. Thank you for your thoughtful post. Karen seems to have moved on - she hasn't posted here in a while - so maybe it's time to move on to other topics if it's painful for rawh. Tx again,
Anne
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Cawn
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Jun 28, 2007 3:43 PM
Okay... I'm sorry, but there are some things that just have to be said about this.

First and foremost, and with all respect to everybody involved in this, I don't think that either side in this is fully innocent, nor is either side fully responsible for everything that's happened to date. I don't say this to provoke more argument, I simply say it to express my belief that one person can be upset, but it takes two to truly fight, and to show that I'm not speaking with any predisposition towards any of the involved parties. Either way, I sympathize with everybody who has suffered as a result of this, and especially with Karen, who was and is so clearly distraught over this (and understandably so!) that she has brought her concerns here, along with a range of emotions.

That being said... Rawh, perhaps you should think about how you could be a little more respectful in this community. I feel that you disrespect everybody here when you yell - surely you can wait until a calmer time to post your comments? You have certainly disrespected Anne and her authority here in your last post, by refusing to stop yelling both by words and by actions. Lastly, there is absolutely no cause for you to curse at Karen (even if it is masked), nor should you be suggesting that she's a lesser person than you simply because she's not originally from your country. To answer your question, rhetorical though I'm sure it was: the police are on no particular person's side. They serve people by upholding the law and, to what extent they can, some form of socially accepted justice. And they do this with no regard to a person's country of origin.

Now that I'm through with the "lecturing" part of what I've got to say, I do have some less negative thoughts rattling about in my brain, too. I hope, rawh, that you took the time to read everything I just said, and I hope that you took it as serious, constructive criticism, and not as a personal attack. I'm not criticizing you, only your past actions, and I hope that you're still willing to talk with me as two mutually respecting people. I do have one big question for you - when you say "I was only trying to get acceptance and Sophie would never text back.." and so on, are you saying that you actually did make Ben up? Or is that related to something else? I'm sorry that I don't understand, but I'm guessing that you were upset enough when you wrote that, that it caused you to be a little bit unclear in what you were referring to..

If that is what you were trying to say, might I suggest that you say it again, but in less uncertain terms? Not so that anybody can judge you (I certainly hope that nobody does), but just so that we can all understand things a little bit better and hopefully work towards ending this dispute.

I know that, as you mentioned, you suffer from some sort of mental complications, but I don't think that that's any reason why something like this has to be done - I believe that, as difficult as it may be, anybody can find the strength to fight against a mental disorder so that it doesn't control their life. I'm sure that you can do that, and I encourage you to always do your best to cope with what you've been given in this life.

Karen, as the adult in this situation and therefore the person with the social obligation, as such, to be the responsible one, do you think that it may be time to let this issue become water under the bridge? I know that you've been through a lot, but your daughter is still with you (thank goodness), and that's the truly important thing, is it not? I'm not certain what sort of legal action, if any, may be in progress at the moment (just thinking on the 'police and media' comment), but it might be best for everybody involved if apologies were made on both sides and this matter was left alone. Nat already has difficulties in her life that go beyond what most teens have to deal with, and I'm sure that this overabundance of undesirable attention isn't helping things.

I hope that what I've said here makes sense; I've been writing this on and off for the past hour or two, so it may not flow as smoothly as I'd like it to, but I believe I got the important points across. Anne, if there's anything in here that you consider to be inappropriate or anything that you think may aggravate the situation, I invite you to edit this post.

Nat, I do hope to hear from you on here, albeit in a more pleasant manner, and I hope that this gets resolved soon, for you and everyone else.

Thanks to everybody for taking the time to read my two bits' worth; I hope it's worth something!
~~~
rawh
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Jun 27, 2007 4:07 PM
THERE IS REASON TO YELL!!! GAWSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IM FROM THIS COUNTRY....HAHA
cheers

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Edited by rawh at 06/27/2007 4:09 PM
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Jun 27, 2007 3:58 PM
rawh, there is no need to yell. Is there anything we can say in this international forum that can be of help to you? I don't believe you've said what country you're in. Cheers,
Anne
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rawh
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Jun 27, 2007 3:46 PM
WHY CANT EVERY1 JUST LEAVE ME ALONE?!?!?!?! YOU GUYS HAVE MADE ME BLEED AND SUFFER ENOUGH JUST GET THE POLICE TO LEAVE ME ALONE ITS PATHETIC HOW YOU ARE TRYING TO INTIMIDATE ME WHY IS IT THAT THEY ARE ON YOUR SIDE YOUR NOT EVEN FROM THIS COUNTRY. IF YOU DONT LIKE PEOPLE HERE THEN WHY DONT YOU JUST GO HOME? YOU ARE WHY I HAD TO SAY ALL OF THIS FOR IT WAS JUSTIN THAT SAID "IM SICK OF BLOODY KIWIS THEY THINK THEY HAVE IT SO HARD THEY ARE ALL THE SAME" I WAS ONLY TRYING TO GET ACCEPTANCE AND SOPHIE WOULD NEVER TEXT BACK IF IT WAS JUST ABOUT HOW HER DAY WAS OR THE WEATHER YOU CREATED THE MONSTER INSIDE AND FED IT I HAVE MENTAL PROBLEMS WHAT DO U EXPECT WHAT THE HELL DO YOU WANT FROM ME? AND GET THE MEDIA TO LEAVE ME ALONE YOUR JUST GOING TO TURN ME MORE SCREWED UP AND MAKE EVERYTHING WORSE IF YOU DONT KILL ME FIRST

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Edited by rawh at 06/27/2007 3:49 PM
Benno_11
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Jun 15, 2007 6:44 PM
Hi

I think that making up bebo sites that don't exist, then doing what they did is twisted. The people who did this to Sohie should be sent to psychiatrists, not psychologists becuase they need some sort of medication to fix them.

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Edited by Benno_11 at 12/10/2007 4:33 PM
rawh
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Jun 10, 2007 8:19 PM
try not blame nat?!?!
bullshizzz! You even tryed to blame me for you going bankrupt #$%@ i had nothing to do with that!
ksbay
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Jun 4, 2007 4:43 AM
dear fuzzy button

thank you for bringing up this question. it is one that ia going to be asked repeatedly over the next while and i need to answer it honestly.

yes of course she was vulnerable. her life has not been a bed of roses.....every family has it's share of issues with which to deal with.......

i have been challenged as a parent..... this has brought us closer together and that, in some strange way, I thank nat for.

i have taken my share of the blame believe me.

i do not need to blame nat for anything, her own words are evidence enough....

i wish for healing for all parties concerned on a personal level.

and remember, bullies are also victims


read the newsletter that anne posted which may help a little......
thereallulusmum
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Jun 2, 2007 8:27 PM
Good luck karen,I know just how not on to it bebo can be.If you truly believe in yourself and your daughter then keep going with it,and show her that you will do whatever it takes.Just try not to let it consume your life(have fun in the meantime)But get it sorted and let it rest.There are laws about faking a death for goodness sake.My own daughter got suckered in by a fake so I keep a close watch on her bebo now,cause they don't,they just want to be better than myspace.
Anne
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May 29, 2007 5:13 PM
Dying4Benny, maybe it's time to give this thread a rest for a while. You seem to be agreeing that another poster's daughter attempted suicide but there is little kindness here and no one's arguing with you. Future posts that ignore forum Rule No. 1 will be deleted. Thank you,
Anne
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May 29, 2007 4:57 PM
See Karen stop blaming us for everything that goes wrong in your life - just because your daughter tried to kill herself doesnt mean that it was because of Natalie - yes it was over Ben but take a look at what you are doing to Natalie, she has gone through enough without you making it worst!!
Anne
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May 28, 2007 6:33 PM
Welcome back, fuzzybutton! Thank you for your kind post,
Anne
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May 28, 2007 4:27 PM
When someone attempts suicide, it sure as hell isn't just because someone they loved died. It's a lot more than that. As a sad mother coping with your daughter's suicide attempt, i can see why you are looking for something to blame it on. There is probably way more than 'i miss Ben' to this.

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May 23, 2007 3:56 PM
Karen, if you do not want your precious little daughter to have anything to with Ben (who has sadly pasted away), Natalie or myself then why do you let her have a bebo where she is a risk?!
Somethings just don't add up - you've taken all of this out on Natalie, this has ruin her life! I don't think that you even care what you have done to her, she had just gotten over the facted that her best friend had passed away and then your precious little daughter drank some bleach (which you also blamed on Natalie, but however she was the one trying to stop her doing). All these little have now gotten to where they're out of control, even for you.
You say that you want your daughter to have a bebo and so do other people, when you take this away from us, of course we are going to make another one and another... I do not see why you cancelled our accounts on a personal website for the whole public to use.
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